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Old 06-07-2016, 03:58 AM   #1
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Alrighty, been a while since I've been here, but winter was a blast & now it's summer. So, I thought I would check out some things in the toy hauler.
I thought I would check things out with just the shore power before I reinstalled the batteries or tried the generator.

I plugged the shore power to a 30 amp plug, slides went out fine, awning went out & rolled up fine. Did this for a couple days. Then today, the kids wanted the AC on. So I started the AC, it ran for a few minutes & then it tripped the breakers in the garage. Reset the breakers and .......... no power in the trailer now. HOWEVER, the microwave comes on & so does the dust devil. But no lights, the slides won't work, etc.

I checked all the breakers in the trailer control box & all the fuses & I reset the GFI socket in the bathroom several times ... still, nothing.

So ... anyone got any ideas ?? Do I need to hook up the batteries ?? (Thought I would do that tomorrow anyway now)

BTW .. the toy hauler is a 2013 V3005 Voltage 5th wheel toy hauler.

Thanks for any help anyone can give me. This sucks !!




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Old 06-07-2016, 04:13 AM   #2
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Ok, I'm not an electrical guy... but I believe you do need the battery hooked up for continuous operation of the rig.

Your lights & slideouts run on 12v DC power. It's my understanding that 110v shore power dues not provide direct current to the 12v system... that it maintains a charge in the battery for that via the inverter/converter (never could keep those straight as to which one is which).

I'm sure the electrical gurus will chime in to provide more info...
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Old 06-07-2016, 04:20 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply ATCguy ... and I hear ya on the 12v thing .... but my slides did go out & the awning did go out & back a couple times on just the shore power. I never did try the lights thou.

AND, I installed a USB plug which also shows the system (trailer) voltage. That had came on before, but now, there's no power to that plug ??




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Old 06-07-2016, 02:46 PM   #4
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Focus on getting the 12VDC restored. Put batteries in first. Double check fuses. It sounds like the converter died from running without batteries. By "died," I don't know if it is permanent, i.e. something broken, or temporary, i.e. a blown fuse. The battery voltage should increase when AC power is on (indicating that the converter is charging the battery). If it doesn't, your batteries will run down, and the converter is inop. After all this, try restarting the AC. Make sure you're on a good 30 amp circuit, with no long "cheapie" extension cords.
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Also, if you are running more then one A/C, and other items, lights, Ref,water heater, etc. you may need 50 amps....
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Old 06-07-2016, 04:44 PM   #6
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Focus on getting the 12VDC restored. Put batteries in first. Double check fuses. It sounds like the converter died from running without batteries. By "died," I don't know if it is permanent, i.e. something broken, or temporary, i.e. a blown fuse. The battery voltage should increase when AC power is on (indicating that the converter is charging the battery). If it doesn't, your batteries will run down, and the converter is inop. After all this, try restarting the AC. Make sure you're on a good 30 amp circuit, with no long "cheapie" extension cords.
Head'in out now to start the battery install & check things as you outlined MartyG Guy !! .... Thanks for the info.


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Also, if you are running more then one A/C, and other items, lights, Ref,water heater, etc. you may need 50 amps....
Understood RVNevada Guy ... but no extras while at the house ... for now anyway ... OK, except maybe lights.

Thanks guys ........ I'll let ya know.




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Old 06-07-2016, 09:02 PM   #7
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Well, my helpful friends ... I installed the batteries, checked the lights, etc, & everything worked. Started the generator, all is good. And the AC came on just fine. I then plugged the trailer into the garage power, no change, everything including the AC works as it should.

However, I'm not sure the batteries are charging ?? Been out there a couple hours & no change to the voltage. So I checked the main breaker box & flipped the breaker for the converter, off, & then back on.

I then went into the storage area & removed the wall to check out the converter itself. Who designs these things ?? They put the converter in what I feel is the worse possible location & it's a SOB to get to. I'll be moving that later. And don't get me started on the mess they call wiring & the waterlines ... DAMN !!

Anyway, the converter had two 40 amp fuses, I removed them, they were OK, & I reinstalled them. Not sure if the converter is working, charging the batteries. When I plugged the fuses back in, the fan (or whatever) came for a few seconds, and then it went quiet.

I'll check the batteries in a couple hours to see if they are being charged.

ANYWAY, things are working (pretty much) so I'm way more relaxed now.

Thanks for the assistance guys !!




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The next step is easy, but you need a voltmeter or multimeter. Unplug shore power, and just read voltage across the battery. To the nearest tenth of a volt. Stay there, and have someone plug shore power back in. If the converter is working you'll see an increase. Usually from 12.0 to 13.6 VDC. If there is no increase, the converter is not putting out.
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Kinda almost sounds like the batteries are completely charged already. The fan on the converter runs when it is charging only. I would keep batteries in, unplug from shore power, run some lights, radio and such for a little while. Then plug back in and see if you hear the fan running. Although Marty G's is a much easier way LOL
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The next step is easy, but you need a voltmeter or multimeter. Unplug shore power, and just read voltage across the battery. To the nearest tenth of a volt. Stay there, and have someone plug shore power back in. If the converter is working you'll see an increase. Usually from 12.0 to 13.6 VDC. If there is no increase, the converter is not putting out.
MartyG, Well Bugger ... there's no change when the shore power is plugged in. Yes, the fan on the converter comes on for a few seconds, but no voltage change. And the batteries were only 12.75v when I put them in. They're at 12.8v right now, but I remember, before, when shore power was plugged in, it would jump to 13.5v right now.

So my converter is toast ?? ..... sigh ............ bugger ..............

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Kinda almost sounds like the batteries are completely charged already. The fan on the converter runs when it is charging only. I would keep batteries in, unplug from shore power, run some lights, radio and such for a little while. Then plug back in and see if you hear the fan running. Although Marty G's is a much easier way LOL
Nope Bigcntry Guy ... the batteries weren't fully charged when I put them in this morning. And they never did hit 13.5v while plugged in, so I believe my converter is toast.

But I will try your idea tomorrow ... got other things to do right now.




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