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Old 08-23-2015, 03:06 AM   #1
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Looking at new truck

I'm hoping to not open a can of worms here but................I'm looking at getting a new truck. I have 3 dodges all 5.9 and would like to stick with the dodge. I tow right now with a 2005 5.9. I don't even want to weigh my Voltage because I cant even imagine what it weighs completely loaded. I have a buddy with a Voltage and a......I can't even hardly get it out Chevy......and if he passes me one more time on a hill I'm never going to hear the end of it. I have looked at the 3500,4500 and 5500 with different transmission and am having a hard time understanding what package to put together. I have a flatbed right now and like that and I like the idea of the Aisin transmission. Anybody have one? And what chassis do you have it on. Thanks for your help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:15 AM   #2
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My opinion... for what it's worth:

If you don't know the weight you're going to be pulling (or, at least, want to be able to pull)... then you can't make an informed decision, and we can't begin to help you.
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Old 08-23-2015, 12:10 PM   #3
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I found a 2014 leftover in April and am very happy with it. The Aisin transmission is an improvement over the 68rfe without question, and worth every bit of the extra $3K having already towed this trailer with a 68rfe. Do a web search for the “Ram trucks towing capacity chart”, there’s a drop down selection of models and set-ups that show payload and towing capacity. You can get a vin number off one of the on-line window stickers and enter it into the “Look up my vehicle” section that allows you to enter your pin weight then adjusts for max trailer weight and shows GCVW. Ram trucks are using the newly adopted industry standards for tow ratings. It’s a pretty slick tool. The Aisin transmission will increase max trailer weights as does the lower gearing. As stated before you need your trailer weights first, or at least the rated weights for the sake of discussion.

My forth Cummins truck is a 3500, 4X4 crew cab dually, Aisin, 3:42 gears. Rated for 5,600lbs max payload, and a max trailer weight of 20,500lbs. The 4:10 gears will increase your max trailer weight up to around 29,000lbs give or take a few. Using the on-line capacity chart with my VIN, I can verify that I’m well within the max pin weight, max trailer weight and gross combined weight.

I’m very happy so far and have absolutely no complaints. Not sure if it will keep your buddy from passing you but it will make it much harder for him at the very least.
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Old 08-23-2015, 06:20 PM   #4
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Sorry I didn't even say what unit I had. Its a 3950 and I think they have the UVW at like 16800. I Haven't been around a scale with it yet but I'm sure with water, side x side and dirt bikes it's every bit of 20,000.
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Old 08-23-2015, 07:14 PM   #5
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Well...the can of worms is open...so I'll give you my thoughts.

My first diesel truck was a 1998 extended cab, short bed 24 valve. My second a 2005 four door, short bed. Both manual transmission, both SRW. I think I liked the 98 a little more than the 05. Due to the 5 speed vs 6 speed manual.

Then we began looking to upgrade in preparation for towing a TH. That's when we started learning....and the choice would be a 2011 model.

The 6.7 Cummins is a great powertrain.

The 6.6 Duramax is also a great powertrain.

Then we started looking at the interior comforts for long hauls.

Unfortunately for 2011, the Dodges simply had nothing to compare with the Silverado. Not even close.

Transmissions...I drive my truck with the Allison in "tow" mode all the time. Makes it drive like my first two with a manual and exhaust brake. I really like the "feel of control" it gives me whether I have the TH hooked up or not.

So...my suggestion, don't get hung up on the brand. Make a list of the things you want the truck to have, and go shop for those things on the list. That should lead you a truck the meets your needs, both from a mechanical and environment (comfort) perspective.

We wound up with a 2011 Silverado LTZ, duramax, Allison, DRW with just about every option, except the GPS. I then added a Highway Products aluminum bed with plenty of toolboxes and my Polaris RZR will fit in the bed. (I modified their design to make it a few inches longer for the RZR to fit).

The DEF issue is a non-issue for me. I get the oil changed at my Chevy dealership and have them fill the DEF tank. No labor and usually takes a 2.5 gallon jug.

So there you have my thoughts...and I could go on and on....

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Old 08-23-2015, 07:37 PM   #6
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I have pulled different toy haulers a minimum of 22,000 miles a year for the last 7 years. Most of my trips include traveling over the Sierra, cascades, Rockies, wasatch and Sanger de cristos. I cannot imagine hauling without the exhaust brake utilized by Dodge Ram. Given different driving conditions including steep climbs, steep descents, snow, rain, wind and ice you can set up different systems to accommodate those scenarios. I believe in other brands the exhaust brake they use if they have can only be used in tow/haul mode which is not a good option in snow and ice. Nothing like having your truck downshift in snowy/icy conditions without knowing when that will happen. With Dodge Ram you can use it without tow/haul mode or with it. Also know what a brake saver it is. On my 09 I changed rotors and pads at 88,000 miles. The brake pads still had more than half of pad material. I use my truck 99% time for towing. Other trucks maybe faster and quieter but remember the 6..7 is a medium duty truck engine in a pick up. My latest is a 12 Laramie has every creature comfort. I live in cold country and I can't imagine life without a heated steering wheel. Lol
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With that much trailer weight, should you choose go with a Ram, you would absolutely need the Aisin transmission and probably the 4:10 gears. That would put you right around 5,600 lbs max cargo weight, and max trailer weight of around 29,000 lbs on a 3500 crew cab dually. The 68rfe transmission takes that down to a max trailer weight of around 21,500 with the 4:10 gears. The quality of the big three trucks these days has come a long way, all are good trucks, just make sure the load ratings are adequate and enjoy.
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Old 08-23-2015, 08:19 PM   #8
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I can't really be much help, but here is what I think.

I have a 1998.5 D3500 DRW 4x4 and love the truck. But it is not the truck I use to tow my Voltage 3905. Love the Cummins and Exhaust Brake. It's and old truck with tons of mods and you really have to know how to drive it. I mean it has a ton of mods.

I have a 2013 F350 DRW 4x4 for the Voltage. Before I bought the Ford F350 I was shopping to a Dodge D3500 but Dodge was in a model transition period and I could not even order one. So I bought the Ford. I didn't bother to look at GMC trucks as I have never liked the way they look. Nothing personal to you GMC owners.

I believe all of them are good vehicles.

I love the look of the Ford and the interior is awesome. Especially compared to the (2013) Dodge.

But the Dodge with the Cummins, Aisin and Exhaust Brake could be the deciding factor if I had it to over again. I have not seen the newest Dodge out there so the interior comfort and styling could be different.

I have 3.73 gears in my F350 and they are OK but lower gearing would be better.

I really wish my F350 had an Exhaust Brake.

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Old 08-23-2015, 08:41 PM   #9
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My ram is a 12 and the interior is quite nice. Heated and cooled seats 10 way adjustable seats, 800 watt stereo with 40 gig hard drive for storing music, remote start so on cold mornings you start and when you get in seats and steering nice and warm. I understand they are even nicer now. Spend a lot of time in there very nice!!
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Old 08-23-2015, 09:49 PM   #10
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Dodge...Dodge......Dodge? How about a Ford. I've had (2) F250 SD CC 4X4 trucks and now have a 2015 F350 DRW CC 4X4 with 0% APR financing from Ford.. That saved me over $8,500 in finance charges. . I own 6 different trailers. Bumper pulls , Horse trailers, Dump trailers, a 25,000# goose neck flatbed, and a 2950 Voltage Fifth Wheel. I have to admit that I missed big time on the weight of the Voltage. So, after about 3000 miles towing the Voltage with my 2012 F250 (with no problems), we just bought the F350 to "get legal with the weight issues".
I live in SW Colorado and travel Wolf Creek Pass, Red Mountain Pass and others all the time without any issues. My wife and I always take the Ford on trips even without a trailer because it is more comfortable that her Honda Accord! My Adult son & daughter both have 2012 F250 CC 4X4 SD trucks and have no problems or issues in the mountains with any of the trailers.
Just Say'n........
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