WFCO converter apparently crapped out... - Dutchmen Owners

Go Back   Dutchmen Owners > Dutchmen Technical | Towing, Maintenance and Repairs > Electrical, Batteries, Charging and Electronics
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 08-24-2015, 11:55 PM   #1
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
WFCO converter apparently crapped out...

But that didn't stop me from camping! I typically check my battery periodically to see if it has water and what the state of charge is. Trailer usually stays plugged in at the house between trips. We were loading up to head out for an overdue weekend at the lake. Checked the battery and it was down to 12.17 WTH? Quick check with the VM shows no 12v coming from the converter. Don't have time to mess with it. Put the 10 amp charger on the battery overnight and rolled for the lake the next day. Pulled a battery cable and the lights go out. That tells me the converter isn't charging for whatever reason. Pulled fuses all are good, flipped breakers, they all seemed to reset properly. Hooked my portable solar panels up and spend the weekend enjoying myself. I will pull the POS converter when I get the chance. Buddy of mine is on his 3rd WFCO converter in 4 years. If this one is bad I will give it one shot at warranty replacement, if I get any hassle I will upgrade to the Progressive Dynamics ASAP.

Aaron
__________________

__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2015, 12:15 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
EricNSTL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Valley Park
Posts: 391
Missouri
So how did your solar panels do? I remember when you bought them, and am considering getting a set in the future.
__________________

__________________

2014 Denali 289RK
2017 Nissan Titan XD Pro-4X CC.
EricNSTL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2015, 01:21 AM   #3
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricNSTL View Post
So how did your solar panels do? I remember when you bought them, and am considering getting a set in the future.
Did great, got the battery topped back up in less than an hour. We had 120v power so the A/C, microwave, fridge, etc were fine. I have the Renology 100 watt suitcase kit. It has gone up in price a bit since I bought mine.

We probably barely stressed the battery. Only thing drawing on it was the fridge control board, LP detector (75MA?) and what 12v lighting we used. I was checking the battery and I don't think we ever dropped below 80% by the voltage measurement. If we keep this trailer a whole lot longer I will consider a dual battery setup, and possibly a rooftop solar array. I have a buddy with a 200 watt roof top setup and he never worries about whether his batteries are charged or not. FWIW he is running a set of high dollar Lithium Ion RV batteries, another buddy has 160 watts on two Group 27 and is happy with his set up.

If we decide to upgrade trailers solar is going to be on the short list. I have been using my portable panels around the farm to keep tractor and other equipment batteries topped up. I plugged it up to our backhoe the other day and went off to take care of some other stuff. It brought that beast back from 30%+ discharged to full in about 3 hours. The alternative would have been to jump start it, and drive it down by the house where we have power to put the battery charger on it.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 02:32 AM   #4
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
Got into my converter tonight. By all indications it is toast. I have zero output on the 12v side. Nix, None, Nada. I have the warranty paperwork for WFCO but am wondering if I even want to mess with them. Apparently you have to ship it to them, then THEY determine if they want to replace it or not, turn around time is 304 weeks. May just bite the bullet and buy a new Progressive Dynamics PD4045. Much better built unit and gives me some extra circuit space to play with too.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 05:20 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dalzell
Posts: 707
South Carolina
The PD looks good, and not too expensive. But are you trading soon? BTW, I'm guessing you meant 3-4 weeks, not 6 years! LOL
MartyG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 01:04 PM   #6
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartyG View Post
The PD looks good, and not too expensive. But are you trading soon? BTW, I'm guessing you meant 3-4 weeks, not 6 years! LOL
Ooops Just seems that long sometimes.

PD is a whole lot better built than the WFCO and if memory serves me is made in the USA vs offshore somewhere.

I don't know when we are trading, maybe a few years now, maybe never. Life around here seems to be a moving target. Every time we make plans for something, the target moves even further in an unexpected direction. So I am going to go ahead work on, and make modifications like it is going to be here for the next 20 years. Some may never get done, but at least I will have something that I enjoy using.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 01:40 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
wildwest450's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Sparta
Posts: 1,715
Tennessee
Just saw this and thanks, headed out tomorrow and now I have to check my battery because i'm paranoid.

It's chugging away at 13.65
__________________
2014 Aerolite 213 RBSL
2016 Chevrolet Colorado
wildwest450 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 02:16 PM   #8
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
I am going to get a disconnect switch on mine... one of these days. I typically check the battery about once a month just because. Got lucky this time. I would guess that the converter crapped out at least 2 weeks ago. Funny part is with the LED lights you don't notice them dimming until the battery is almost dead. My wife unplugged the trailer 2-3 days before, because of a series of thunderstorms moving through. Whole house electrical surge protection is also in the works. Seems we have been getting more and more severe thunderstorms recently. In the meantime we disconnect or turn off the high dollar stuff, like A/C and electronics. So far it has paid off.

One feature I like about the PD converter is that there is a place to hook the battery disconnect up to the converter.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 02:49 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
wildwest450's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Sparta
Posts: 1,715
Tennessee
Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
Funny part is with the LED lights you don't notice them dimming until the battery is almost dead.
Aaron
Or the fan running. With my old lights when you turned on 2 lights the fan would crank up, it hasn't made a peep since I changed to leds.
__________________
2014 Aerolite 213 RBSL
2016 Chevrolet Colorado
wildwest450 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 03:16 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
sundancer 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tahlequah
Posts: 2,858
Oklahoma
Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
Ooops Just seems that long sometimes.

PD is a whole lot better built than the WFCO and if memory serves me is made in the USA vs offshore somewhere.

I don't know when we are trading, maybe a few years now, maybe never. Life around here seems to be a moving target. Every time we make plans for something, the target moves even further in an unexpected direction. So I am going to go ahead work on, and make modifications like it is going to be here for the next 20 years. Some may never get done, but at least I will have something that I enjoy using.

Aaron
PD says, Designed and engineered in the U.S.
Assembled in the U.S.
Tested in the U.S. prior to sale
Provided with warranty service after the sale

All that is great, however, that leaves the circuit boards and discreet components. The guts of the converter may come from Korea, Japan, China or any other place outside of the US.
__________________
2013 Voltage 3800, 2012 Chevy 3500 HD
2010 Yamaha V Star 950
2009 Yamaha Raider
Volunteering with Habitat for Humanity Caravanners
sundancer 87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 03:52 PM   #11
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
Quote:
Originally Posted by sundancer 87 View Post
PD says, Designed and engineered in the U.S.
Assembled in the U.S.
Tested in the U.S. prior to sale
Provided with warranty service after the sale

All that is great, however, that leaves the circuit boards and discreet components. The guts of the converter may come from Korea, Japan, China or any other place outside of the US.
Better than WFCO...

Not too many electronic manufacturing facilities left in the US, if any.

I am hoping that the PD circuit boards are made in Taiwan, they actually do some quality work. Some of the Chinese manufacturers do quality work, but it seems to be the exception. I am sure that the testing and assembly work that PD does is well past what WFCO does. I suspect that they are OEM because they are lower overall price. And profit matters.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 07:17 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dalzell
Posts: 707
South Carolina
Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
Whole house electrical surge protection is also in the works.
Aaron
We have that from the electric company, at the meter. A flat $10/mo. They still recommend additional protectors at the appliance. I have the TT plugged into our 30 Amp surge protector, plugged into the 30 Amp outlet that is within 3 ft of the meter. Our house is at the end of a very long line, and we have outages all the time. Probably fire up the generator 5X/yr.
MartyG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 10:20 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
DesertRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Desert Hot Springs
Posts: 1,760
California
Quote:
Originally Posted by sundancer 87 View Post
PD says, Designed and engineered in the U.S.
Assembled in the U.S.
Tested in the U.S. prior to sale
Provided with warranty service after the sale

All that is great, however, that leaves the circuit boards and discreet components. The guts of the converter may come from Korea, Japan, China or any other place outside of the US.
I think the 3 year warranty is what sets it above the rest.
__________________
Mike
2002 42' Monaco Signature Triple Crown tow 2014 F-150
2014 Voltage V3605 Sold 5/3/17
2012 F-350 6.7l CC 4X4, Sold 10/10/17
DesertRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2015, 11:24 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
sundancer 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tahlequah
Posts: 2,858
Oklahoma
3 years is darn good on electronics!!! Too bad we can't get a decent warranty on a 'made in USA' Voltage!
__________________
2013 Voltage 3800, 2012 Chevy 3500 HD
2010 Yamaha V Star 950
2009 Yamaha Raider
Volunteering with Habitat for Humanity Caravanners
sundancer 87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2015, 12:02 PM   #15
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertRat View Post
I think the 3 year warranty is what sets it above the rest.
That and the fact they assemble and test them fully prior to shipping them. I suspect WFCO unloads theirs from the shipping container, do a quick and dirty output test then ship them to the RV assemblers. Got in contact with WFCO yesterday and I am not impressed at this point. They spent more time wanting to know who my dealer was and why I wasn't using a dealer to have warranty work done. I faxed them the paperwork. If I don't hear back from them shortly I am getting a PD shipped. I pointed out that I DID NOT want my camper spending the next 2-3 months sitting at the dealer waiting on them to argue over a $150 unit. Not to mention that I am probably better qualified than most of the so called techs at the dealer to trouble shoot and repair. They offered to ship me a "replacement" unit (suspect rebuilt) at my expense then IF my unit really is bad they will refund me the money. I DON'T THINK SO TIM! Customer service is obviously NOT their strong point. Based on what I am reading WFCO has issues with quality and while they will replace things under warranty the replacement unit may not make it to the end of the next warranty period. And it appears they only give you a year on the replacement unit versus the two year warranty on the new units.

FWIW I have emailed PD and Best Converters on a couple of occasions and have gotten prompt, concise responses. Looks like that is going to be the best way to go.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2015, 06:21 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
DesertRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Desert Hot Springs
Posts: 1,760
California
Aaron
For $150 why waste you time. My water pump went out under warranty. I just went & bought a new Shurflo & didn't even think about getting the OEM warrantied.
__________________
Mike
2002 42' Monaco Signature Triple Crown tow 2014 F-150
2014 Voltage V3605 Sold 5/3/17
2012 F-350 6.7l CC 4X4, Sold 10/10/17
DesertRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2015, 06:37 PM   #17
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertRat View Post
Aaron
For $150 why waste you time. My water pump went out under warranty. I just went & bought a new Shurflo & didn't even think about getting the OEM warrantied.
That is where I am at. The PD is ~$185 shipped. But that is cheap, knowing that it will be fixed in a week and I probably won't have to worry about it again.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2015, 05:21 PM   #18
Site Team
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Sprung Leak
Posts: 3,139
North Carolina
PD ordered should be here middle of next week. Faxed the paperwork into WFCO and their response was "who is the authorized dealer"? Not worth the hassle, it says freaking CONSUMER WARRANTY, that means me.

PD is four stage charging, more amps and more circuits, both 12v and 120v. Already have plans for them.

Aaron
__________________
There is madness to my methods
2015 Coleman CM16FBS(traded) 2016 Concord 300DS
2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid following along
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2015, 07:29 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
sundancer 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tahlequah
Posts: 2,858
Oklahoma
I'm sure you, as I can, change the WFCO name to a suitable acronym with an appropriate meaning.
__________________
2013 Voltage 3800, 2012 Chevy 3500 HD
2010 Yamaha V Star 950
2009 Yamaha Raider
Volunteering with Habitat for Humanity Caravanners
sundancer 87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2015, 11:59 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Camper2b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Nashville
Posts: 538
Tennessee
Quote:
Originally Posted by sundancer 87 View Post
I'm sure you, as I can, change the WFCO name to a suitable acronym with an appropriate meaning.
you go with yours first Robert
__________________

__________________
Slim
Former 2014 Vlotage 3200 owner
Camper2b is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Popular Tags
#coleman 5th wheel 243 255bhsl kodiak 1700bh apsen trail 1700bh tv mount 1991 2018 atlas 2018 denali 2901rl 3305 ac problem aerolite aerolite 282 dbhs. 2018 air bag air conditioning alabama atwood awnins bathroom battery charging bike rack btu caulk; gasket charger chassis coleman diagrams disconnect dutchman dutchman endurance 3006 dutchmen electrical electrical inverter electric conversion floor floor bounce flooring fuel station furnace gray water tank grey tank hot water heater insert interior inverter kodiak cub landing gear lights bad ground switch lost panel owners manual panels propane pvc valve replacement roof brackets satellite hookup screws slide manual open solar specs needed structural fault switch thermarest aening tires voltage wall water heater water lines winterize wiring diagram
» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Dutchmen RV or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×