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Old 01-23-2015, 12:13 PM   #1
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Okay... This may be a stupid question but I can not seem to figure it out! I have searched the site and nothing directly related to connecting to a hotspot.

I am able to wirelessly connect to my Wifi Ranger with a computer or iPad but, how do you connect to a hot spot or internet connection through the Wifi Ranger. Anything like this that I have installed in my home, you always plug it in to the router or computer that you'r internet is connected to. This would allow you to set up the gateway or connection. Not sure how you do this especially when you are camping at different locations and you need to enter a code to connect to the internet.

I am sure its something simple and I am just not getting it!
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You need to access the GUi through the IP address given. This is what I have bookmarked to access my Ranger:
10.143.68.1:8080/main.php?page=ranger
Once on that, the first page shows the available networks to connect to, pick one, then idealy it should work. If a logon is required, a separate screen will pop up for that. During the association to a network, the Ranger will drop off then come back, which is annoying at best.

I had to turn the Failover option on because my Ranger would disconnect from the network I assigned or if I had not used it for quite some time. I am trying to figure out WFR control so I can associate the Ranger with my own booster network, that will be a project for today/tomorrow.

They are very responsive with their customer service, I have a lot of back and forth with them about the setup.

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Old 01-23-2015, 03:01 PM   #3
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Cale,

If I have an AT&T hotspot that works just fine for the girl's phones, DW's I Pad and if I ever bring my laptop. Most campgrounds wifi is so slow/weak, that I always just use the hotspot. I've never use up my monthly data, except one time when my daughter brought a friend that was watching movies on her phone!!!

Is there any advantage for me to go through the trouble of trying to figure out how to connect the wifi ranger? I don't know how, and I really don't want to.
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Cale,

If I have an AT&T hotspot that works just fine for the girl's phones, DW's I Pad and if I ever bring my laptop. Most campgrounds wifi is so slow/weak, that I always just use the hotspot. I've never use up my monthly data, except one time when my daughter brought a friend that was watching movies on her phone!!!

Is there any advantage for me to go through the trouble of trying to figure out how to connect the wifi ranger? I don't know how, and I really don't want to.
Depends on your use age as to the Ranger being worthwhile. In theory, it is a great idea, however, IMHO, it is a poorly executed idea. I find myself pretty tech savvy, I fly and hunt submarines...but, like I told the Ranger rep, that any non tech person would immediately get frustrated and give up.

We live in ours, so Internet is a must. All the wireless devices chews through data quick, I have had 50 GB months for data and it was expensive.

I just swung by Ace Hardware to pick up stuff for an antenna mast. Let me get home and put it up, I think what I have is better and I can use it to boost wifi networks or cell phone signals.

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Cale,

If I have an AT&T hotspot that works just fine for the girl's phones, DW's I Pad and if I ever bring my laptop. Most campgrounds wifi is so slow/weak, that I always just use the hotspot. I've never use up my monthly data, except one time when my daughter brought a friend that was watching movies on her phone!!!

Is there any advantage for me to go through the trouble of trying to figure out how to connect the wifi ranger? I don't know how, and I really don't want to.
We have a Verizon Hotspot and ipads with data packages but, we do end p in places where there is no signal. There are usually wireless connections where we camp, sometimes to far away for the laptop or iPads to pick up. Would be nice to use the Wifi Ranger to boost that signal.
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Thanks Moto...

AT&T has great coverage in West Texas and I've always been able to get a good signal. I'm sure if it ever fails I'll be searching out this thread and try get my daughter to take a look.

Cale told me all I need to know about me trying to get the wifi ranger hooked up...

"any non tech person would immediately get frustrated and give up."

I'm gonna tap out on this one!!!
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WiFi Ranger must not be a "V" series thing.
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Old 01-23-2015, 10:38 PM   #8
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Not familiar with the WiFi Ranger, but I am familar with what happens when you go camping with my wife and there is NO cellphone or broadcast television!

Fortunately the campground had WiFi (sort of) and I had packed the hard drive with the movies on it.

I use Tenda mini routers as extenders. Work pretty good most of the time. Only downside is they cut the wifi speed in half, so if the campground wifi is not good it can slow it down even more. There might be a better product out there, but this is what I use.

We do have a Verizon JetPack hotspot and our smart phones can act as hotspots, as well as the iPad.

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Ok, I have become annoyed with the Ranger, I did figure out that it is wired to the 5th fuse when counting from the top...so for now, I am not using the Ranger.

Now, here is what I have done today and I am getting nearly 60 available networks, granted, not all useable, but I know that my range is between .75 and 1 mile right now, because I can see the Travel Lodge network down the street.

I spent $21 on my roof mount. I used a toilet flange, flipped upside down, 12 inches of 3 inch PVC, a reducer from 3 inch to 1.5 inch, and 6 feet of 1.5 inch PVC. Attached the flange to the roof with #12 1.5 inch screws and Dicor behind AC #3, I made the assumption that I would have less wires to hit right there. I may pull the AC plenum down tomorrow to see if I can see back there.

The flange attached and Dicor.


With 3 inch PVC and reducer.


Antenna mounted.

I use an Alpha R36 router:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And an Alfa high powered booster.
Amazon.com: Alfa AWUS036NH 2000mW 2W 802.11g/n High Gain USB Wireless G / N Long-Range WiFi Network Adapter with 5dBi Screw-On Swivel Rubber Antenna and 7dBi Panel Antenna and Suction cup / Clip Window Mount: Computers & Accessories
One caveat, it says 2 watts, but the FCC limits us to only 1 watt. I tried to crack the system to allow for the full 2 watts, some countries aren't regulated, but I have not figured it out yet.

The best thing about this setup, it can be setup to boost cell phone signals.

By the way, the antenna is a directional Yagi. Any would suffice, just find one with a large number of reviews.

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Nice job, Cale. Is there a hole at the base to allow water to drain out?


My only real problem with the Ranger is when a campground requires me to go to a separate website to log into their wifi - Ranger won't allow it. Or maybe I just don't know how - but I can't go on website with ranger to log in because I am not connected to their network...
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Revisiting this thread...

Cale... just curious how happy you are with the setup you made? Anything you'd have done differently... or maybe something you wish you hadn't done?

Ranger owners: how about you? Are you happy with what you have, and does it really work as advertised?

Now that I'm fulltime, I know I need to get something to help my setup. I was looking at the Ranger package, but have the same concern donzinger dies about needing to go to proprietary websites to log on to a campground's network.

The trouble is that I know just enough about this area to be dangerous.

As an Apple/Mac guy, I'd love to be able to use my TimeCapsule-AirPort as a wireless network hub in the RV, with all of my devices receiving a WiFi signal from it. But it won't take a WiFi signal and rebroadcast it... it requires a wired Ethernet cable input signal.

As an example, here's my current dilemma...

I'm at a campground with GREAT WiFi service... probably the best I've ever experienced in my short RVing career. The first site I was located in here was right beside the campground's antenna. I had a STRONG signal, and was able to stream Netflix, MLB games, etc. directly to my computer, iPad, TVs, etc. Connection was simple & easy with a directly entered password.

Last week, I had to relocate to a new site... as one of the campground's snowbirds was making their way here, and have used the same site for over 10 years now. I get it, they wanna keep them happy, so I moved. No problem. Except that the good strong signal I was receiving is now much weaker, and my stream is often interrupted due to loss of signal.

Hence the need for an external antenna & booster package... and if I'm gonna do that, I'd like to set up an RV hub too so that I can just connect all of my devices to it instead of to the campground service. But, like donzinger mentioned... in case the next campground I go to requires me to go to a website to complete a connection to their network, instead of entering a simple password... I want something that will allow me to do that.

So that's where I'm at. All suggestions & comments are welcome...
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Nice job, Cale. Is there a hole at the base to allow water to drain out?


My only real problem with the Ranger is when a campground requires me to go to a separate website to log into their wifi - Ranger won't allow it. Or maybe I just don't know how - but I can't go on website with ranger to log in because I am not connected to their network...
Don,

Sorry I never answered your question here. I did not drill a hole in the base, I have a cap on it so it stays dry.

I have never had a problem using logins for park services. For instance, I am on the Ranger, I select Tengo internet, it requires login info. I do not have the email any longer, but I did have help from the Ranger folks themselves.

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Revisiting this thread...

Cale... just curious how happy you are with the setup you made? Anything you'd have done differently... or maybe something you wish you hadn't done?

Ranger owners: how about you? Are you happy with what you have, and does it really work as advertised?

Now that I'm fulltime, I know I need to get something to help my setup. I was looking at the Ranger package, but have the same concern donzinger dies about needing to go to proprietary websites to log on to a campground's network.

The trouble is that I know just enough about this area to be dangerous.

As an Apple/Mac guy, I'd love to be able to use my TimeCapsule-AirPort as a wireless network hub in the RV, with all of my devices receiving a WiFi signal from it. But it won't take a WiFi signal and rebroadcast it... it requires a wired Ethernet cable input signal.

As an example, here's my current dilemma...

I'm at a campground with GREAT WiFi service... probably the best I've ever experienced in my short RVing career. The first site I was located in here was right beside the campground's antenna. I had a STRONG signal, and was able to stream Netflix, MLB games, etc. directly to my computer, iPad, TVs, etc. Connection was simple & easy with a directly entered password.

Last week, I had to relocate to a new site... as one of the campground's snowbirds was making their way here, and have used the same site for over 10 years now. I get it, they wanna keep them happy, so I moved. No problem. Except that the good strong signal I was receiving is now much weaker, and my stream is often interrupted due to loss of signal.

Hence the need for an external antenna & booster package... and if I'm gonna do that, I'd like to set up an RV hub too so that I can just connect all of my devices to it instead of to the campground service. But, like donzinger mentioned... in case the next campground I go to requires me to go to a website to complete a connection to their network, instead of entering a simple password... I want something that will allow me to do that.

So that's where I'm at. All suggestions & comments are welcome...
Tom,

I have all but stopped using the Ranger except as an adhoc network so the kids can play Minecraft in groups without the fear of interaction of Internet child predators...have even done it for area kids with XBox and Playstations... The reason, it has a miserable 2-3 dB gain antennae and the GUI is frustrating as hell....

Now, I am a Mac guy myself and before getting the Voltage I used two Apple routers, one MUsT be an Apple Express... A little tricky, but it worked everywhere flawlessly. I took one Apple Express router and set it up to extend a network. Basically it was just capturing and passing the signal (or boosting if you will), Bridge mode if you will. I would use a cable to connect to a second Express or to my Apple Extreme, this is what would be the network which would be broadcasted as my personal SSID. I would take my device, connect to my SSID, open the browser, and the proprietary page would pop up for me to login, from that point, everything else could use the Internet....

I had it down to the point I had them velcroed to the wall, the bridged one with a black X on it....we would roll into a campground, power everything on, master rest the X'ed router, run the setup on my phone, connect the Ethernet and off to the races. I don't run that setup anymore, when using my yagi antennae and booster/router combo, I bridge an Express to the front of the trailer for a good signal, which works for us.

My current Internet situation is not that great. The park has great signal, but poor incoming service. The park owners (very Christian) have took it upon themselves to block a lot of sites (mainly porn, but a lot of other services have been affected). Still useable for school, but that's about it.... I have recently bit the bullet and am paying $198/month (eBay) for an unlimited data Verizon hotspot which is XLTE capable. My XLTE speeds can run in the near 30's for speed, plenty fast...

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Tom,

For what it's worth...I've been researching this problem while preparing for a long trip this spring. Not sure if you want to go this far, but here is what I'm considering:

JEFA Tech: Long Range WiFi Repeater Kit for RVs

All the reviews seem to indicate this is an inexpensive and good way to go. As far as I can see it does the same thing the Ranger does for a lot less money. Then to drop the outside line into the coach I'm looking at this:



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For what it's worth...I've been researching this problem while preparing for a long trip this spring. Not sure if you want to go this far, but here is what I'm considering:

JEFA Tech: Long Range WiFi Repeater Kit for RVs

All the reviews seem to indicate this is an inexpensive and good way to go. As far as I can see it does the same thing the Ranger does for a lot less money. Then to drop the outside line into the coach I'm looking at this:



Hope this gives you some information to think about
The problem with that setup is that it is a G router, so you could take a hit on the G vs N range/speeds. You could save some bucks, get a Linksys WRT154G and put your own DD-WRT software on it, or any compatible router, Linksys is most popular. This route would be cheaper, just need an antenna. Personally, I would go with a directional antenna vs an omnidirectional antenna. Omni antennas don't have the gains required to pickup long range networks. When I use my setup with a yagi directional, I skip past the repeaters and go directly to the main hub, get a faster overall speed.

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Interesting reading... thanks for the feedback.

Question for cale again, in re your directional Yagi antenna: I'm assuming by 'directional', that means it must be turned to the signal source for best reception, just like the TV antenna. I didn't notice that you had installed anything to turn your PVC pipe install from inside the rig. Do you have to manually climb up top and turn it each time you move? That would seem to be a PITA.
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The problem with that setup is that it is a G router, so you could take a hit on the G vs N range/speeds. You could save some bucks, get a Linksys WRT154G and put your own DD-WRT software on it, or any compatible router, Linksys is most popular. This route would be cheaper, just need an antenna. Personally, I would go with a directional antenna vs an omnidirectional antenna. Omni antennas don't have the gains required to pickup long range networks. When I use my setup with a yagi directional, I skip past the repeaters and go directly to the main hub, get a faster overall speed.

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Cale,

I'm certainly not an expert, but if I understand the G vs N technology the G will produce up to 54Mps and the N up to 300Mps. If I could get 54Mps out of the G I would be happy

Also....JEFA Tech says on their website: IMPORTANT - The repeater does not work with directional antennas.

Again - I'm not an expert, just dangerous enough to be able to connect something like this system. Please enlighten me if I'm mistaken.
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Interesting reading... thanks for the feedback.

Question for cale again, in re your directional Yagi antenna: I'm assuming by 'directional', that means it must be turned to the signal source for best reception, just like the TV antenna. I didn't notice that you had installed anything to turn your PVC pipe install from inside the rig. Do you have to manually climb up top and turn it each time you move? That would seem to be a PITA.
Tom,

Yes, it is all manual. I am probably on the roof more than most. It gets walked once we stop every time, and it gets walked before we close up every time. After stopping, I am checking roof integrity and AC covers/antenna...before leaving, I sweep the tops of the slides. During those chores, I set up the antenna. Run it through my iPad, so I can sit right there, with a beer and do some aiming and exploring....once setup, it's good until I leave.

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Cale,

I'm certainly not an expert, but if I understand the G vs N technology the G will produce up to 54Mps and the N up to 300Mps. If I could get 54Mps out of the G I would be happy

Also....JEFA Tech says on their website: IMPORTANT - The repeater does not work with directional antennas.

Again - I'm not an expert, just dangerous enough to be able to connect something like this system. Please enlighten me if I'm mistaken.
I had to think for a second on why they say the setup doesn't work well...what they are saying is that the router has two antennas, with the primary needing to to receive from the client and broadcast out on the chosen SSID, if directional, you may not see your access point.

I had to do a little more digging...they are correct in what they are saying, but a better explanation would be that there is a "voter" switch within the router. Both antennas are looking to receive a broadcast, once found, it will broadcast that signal from the access point. The antenna with the strongest signal gets the vote to enable the rebroadcast of the source signal. Hence the reason for not using directional...

There 2500 ft is definitely an ideal number, probably closer to 1500 ft. I prefer a setup which allows aiming, especially in parks near commercial businesses. We have used Starbucks, Panera, McD's, and others from nearly 1.5 miles away before when staying at a park with Tengo internet or non existent Internet...but usually it's just an aim to the other side of the interstate. I will caveat that with the longer the distance, the more latency (or wasted time) in the signal. I am only checking emails at a mile away, but I can stream from across the interstate.


Some of the higher end wireless network equipment is Ubiquiti... https://www.ubnt.com ... They have some pretty powerful equipment, but takes quite a bit more effort to setup if on the road a lot..

Now, the G vs N...an N will allow your stuff to talk to each other at a higher rate of speed. Let's say you have different computers talking to each other, the G may get bogged down with a smaller max transfer rate. The N would have a lot more bandwidth available to send the data. Also, if using a hard drive as a data hub, you would be able to download from the hub much faster...

Another plus is that N broadcasts further than G...

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I think what I have is better and I can use it to boost wifi networks or cell phone signals.

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OK Cale, now you have my interest about cell phone boosting too. Did you get it (the Ranger) to do that for you? If so, how?
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