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Old 06-10-2015, 05:35 AM   #1
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Slide issue fixed? Well 4 trips.

Ok I waited till I had a few trips in until I posted anything about this. So 2 trips after I got my used Voltage guess what I had problems with the kitchen slide. So when I got to were I was going it wouldn't go out. Tried a couple times and finally got it out. When I got it home and got it out I started looking at it. It seems there is a lot of problems and I guess the dealers cant figure it out so I figured I would give it a try.
I noticed that the rollers were sinking into the decking from the weight of the slide. I went to my local fab shop and looked for wider rollers to put in............he had a whole book of rollers and the size I needed only went up to 80# each and there is 4. Now everybody knows that slide weighs more then 320. The interesting thing is the same rollers that come on the slides are rated at.......I think it was 35# each.
1st I was going to have them make new rollers 12" wide and they figured they would carry about 150#ea but it was a complete fab and wasn't sure it would solve the problem. So this is what I did. I had plates cut 8' wide by the depth of the slide 1/8" thick. I pulled all the screws out of the side of the slide( one side at a time) jacked up the slide and put the plate between the roller and the floor, screwed it to the floor. This has stopped the rollers sinking into the decking.
I have 4 or 5 trips in not and it is the easiest slide to put out and no more problems.
It should be noted that if I put the slide out and let the decking relax then the slide would go in and out fine. But the first time down the road it would sink in again. I have seen posts of people taking their unit into the dealer for this problem and then getting to their first stop and it doing the same thing.
This is my disclaimer.........I did this myself and it worked for me. I'm sure you will never talk a dealer into doing it and I'm sure it would void your warranty. But it worked good enough that I will do the rest of my slides as I can see were the rollers are sinking into the decking on them and they are twice as hard to get in(well it sounds like its harder). Problem being still have rollers that are......I believe......way under rated.
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thanks, I will take look at those rollers
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Old 06-10-2015, 03:37 PM   #5
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Can you post some pictures?

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Old 06-10-2015, 04:02 PM   #6
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I think most all the Voltage kitchen slides will be the same. So this will benefit most all of us. I know my slide looks quite the same on my V3605.
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I will try and post some pictures. I'm not the most Tec savey person......I will get my 13 year old to help me. It works great though.
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:32 PM   #9
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Well son of a gun...I thought it was like other forums...had to post them through an online service like PhotoBucket....I like the upload feature much better, as I would like to clean up and arrange my PhotoBucket account...which if I do, I assume will make dead links to pics I have already posted.

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Old 06-11-2015, 02:03 PM   #10
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Good post catdog...

I've checked mine once or twice before, need to keep a better eye on them, I can see where they could be a weak leak!!!
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Old 06-11-2015, 02:40 PM   #11
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I've had two motors fail in my bedroom slide. One last year; one again this year. (More info under my name in thread "Schwintek slide problem"). In both cases, the dealer replaced motors and problem was resolved. But now I’m wondering if it really has been…

First failure, slide was stuck in. Dealer had "fun" (with extra manpower!) pushing slide out enough to create space enough to access the motor release screw (which is only possible from outside). Then, the motor is removed from the inside (and only possible from the inside). Second failure, slide was stuck out by about a foot. Luckily, that left enough space both outside and inside for the repair job. In both cases, putting the controller in manual over ride was tried, but the slide wouldn't budge.

So why the motor failure in the first place? And is another failure looming? Based on great info shared here by a bunch of you (and thanks!)… I now think it's either due to a soft or swollen slide floor at the exterior edge; maybe the outer most 12 inches or so, due to water wicking (as explained in Cale’s and Slim’s and others’ excellent posts).

If soft, the rollers may be digging into the slide floor upon contact. If swollen, the rollers may be pushing the slide up upon contact, perhaps making the slide bind on the rails or in slide wall opening. In either case, causing the motor to be over-worked and eventually fail.

Thinking back, I have noticed the slide moving slower/the motor sounding more “stressed” as that 12-inch section of slide floor rolls out or rolls in. And of course, while out on a trip and leaving us stranded, rather than at home while doing maintenance... like the last failure happened (faaaaack!).

Next step? I’ll have to determine soft versus swollen. If soft, I’ll have to figure out support strips (like Catdog explained in this thread). If swollen, maybe take a belt sander to the affected area and then re-seal. Gosh forbid if the entire slide floor must be replaced (ka-ching!). In any event, I best resolve this before the newly-replaced motor is exposed to being “over worked” again.

I’m open to input here, Volty folks. (And btw, have to say again how impressed I am by the knowledge and “gumption” of contributors on this forum – thanks very much for your efforts folks. This is my first RV and, man, what a schooling I’m getting to the “reality” of RV’ing: the good and the ugly!)

PS: I’ve been bit by the “Schwintek problem” but I think in fairness their inwall slide system is not solely to blame. Indeed, you’d think it would have better tolerance to load/stress. But if not installed correctly or operating in adverse circumstance, what can one expect? Just my 2 cents doing 33-plus years of IT support (“sometimes the problem is actually caused by another problem” lol).

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Forgot to mention: both my kitchen and main slides (both bigger and heavier than the bedroom slide) have worked flawlessly from day one. Me thinks I won’t find water stains under their osb floors. Will report back…



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Old 06-11-2015, 11:02 PM   #13
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I think I figured it out. Will see.... I also had more step I did that I forgot about. I will post it when I'm at a computer and not the phone.
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Nice job cat dog, so you took all screws off the slide tracks? Or what did you remove?
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Ya 1 side at a time and then just used a jack to lift it. I did one side and put about 4 or 5 screws in kinda loose but enough to keep it from falling out. Then did the other side. Then I put all the screws back in and tightened everything. There is one more part that I will try and explain. But it will take me some time to try and explain it right.
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Ok here we go. I'm going to try and explain it but if there is questions fire away. So when I did this, first I had no water damage but, the roller was really cutting into the decking at the ext wall and then less and less as it got to the........I will call it the living area. So I got to thinking with the slide out leverage takes over and all the weight would be on the header in the slide( If the header wasn't there the slide would fall out). If they are installing the slides at the factory I assume it would be out and the workers would set the slides on the rollers and then secure the rails and supports. The problem being is when the slide comes in the weight shifts to the rollers.
So when I put the plates in and let the slide down I put just a little weight on the rollers ( I could move the rollers with my fingers but it was kind of hard). I secured every thing and then put the slide in. When I got it in there was a lot of weight on the roller( I couldn't spin them anymore). Honestly I think the rollers and the slide motor or rails were working against each other the way they had it. Really there shouldn't be a lot of weight on the rollers when the slide is fully out. All the rollers are doing is setting on 1 1/4 decking.
I don't know but I'm getting the stuff to do my other two slides this weekend. I will post and let everybody know what the outcome was........I hope it works as good as the kitchen slide
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Catdog,
I know you said your plates were 1/8" thick, but what metal was it? steel or aluminum?

And which screws did you remove from the side of slide, the ones securing the track or the ones along the floor edge?

Thanks, great write up(s)!
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I used steel but, I just went and got the rest for the other two slides and was kinda surprised at how heavy it was. But I guess a little more weight or slides that don't open. I took the screws out on the side of the slide. When I did that and jacked it up it raised the whole slide assembly with it.
I would be a little curious if maybe there isn't something better to use then steel. I guess I was just worried over time anything else might start to bend.
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Catdog - thanks for all the explaining......but is it possible that you take pics of the next "fix" - my Granddaddy always said a picture is worth a thousand words!


Thanking you in advance.................
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Old 06-12-2015, 09:27 PM   #20
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Ya I will try and take some pictures now that I'm a little more confident that the fix worked. I'm going to try and do at least one this weekend as the living room slide sounds like it is working pretty hard.
As long as the beers don't get in the way
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